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We're fine women, fine literature, and fine libations collide.

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Step into the lit light. Black girls lit starts now.

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Black women are so complex. Hey y'all, it is Tasha. I'm Lex and I'm a star. And welcome back to Black Girls Lit Podcast. This is a special mid-month edition. Okay, because basically, y'all know we could not wait another month to tackle um book two. Because you know, the way that these clip hangers be getting us, even when we have clearly already had our entire year planned out. And then you read a book, and these authors be just leaving us on edge. So blessings to you all. You get a mid-month edition. So yay, yay, it's a win. In this sequel, we are clearly following Dr. Ren Mueller right on to um Massachusetts. So our book will be paired with Beer this episode. So the butcher game and beer.

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Coming back at you again with our cocktail of the week. Since this is a double feature, it's a reward. You're welcome. This cocktail is called Here Comes the Sun. Isn't that so cute? We are using some of that rye whiskey that we tried, the first part of the Dr. Ren Mueller series. So we're gonna be using a rye whiskey with some ginger-flavored syrup as well as lemon juice. And then we are one of our beers that we're featuring in today's episode is Blue Moon. So we are having some of that in this cocktail, and it should be garnished with some lemon. We don't have it right now, but if you want to be cute with it, garnish it with some lemon. Cheers, ladies.

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Now we're not really beer drinkers, but not at all. We here for the call, so let's see. Okay, I'm I'm loving this. I could drink this. Y'all know how I feel about it. There's whiskey in it, so I'm good. I can definitely taste the orange in the beer. Like that's the thing with Blue Moon. Like it has that orange undertone. It's not really giving beer. It's I like it. It's more I definitely taste that Cesarec, which I did like. Yeah. And just put the beer, just add like a little something, something. Y'all can definitely, y'all see me on a rooftop with this.

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Yeah, I like it. It's cute. It's cute.

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It's doing something.

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Damn.

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As Tasha said, we're gonna get into the book. The second book in the Dr. Rand Mueller series, The Cat and Mouse Games Continue, where Butcher and the Wren left off. And spoiler alert, if you thought Jeremy was going to lay low and chill out for a minute, he didn't. He's not, he won't. It is what it is. Again, the author, Elena, is an autopsy technician, turned best-selling author and co-host of Morbid Podcast. And as we previously stated, her knowledge from her autopsy days and research for her true crime podcast are quite visible in her writing and such vivid and real thrillers. All right. You know, although it's part of a series. Cheers if we love it, sip if it's okay. So that's all three stars, babysit if we got through it, and then send it back if we we just were not feeling it. Everyone will be shocked to know that I found this one to be a cheers. A cheers. Okay. Um picking up off of the second, the first one. Surprise, surprise. I did like the second one. I mean, I did feel as though you had like once you read the first one, it was such a clip hanger that I really did have to jump right into the second one. It did not disappoint. And I will go ahead and say that it feels like another one is coming. And I'm gonna pick that one up too.

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No, I agree with Tasha. I give it a cheers to boom, four stars. As Tasha talked about at the beginning of the episode, we did not plan to read both books. I hope y'all are following us on Instagram and you saw our summer reading list. Book two was not on that reading list, but I we finished book one and I was like, yeah, absolutely not. We need to finish this thing on out. And I loved it. And I know we talked about like the second book slump in one of our past episodes, and I feel like there was no slump, no slouch. It was great. I loved it. Loved every moment of it, and I am ready for more. Agreed, agreed. So this one for me was definitely a cheers.

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Oh she's so hard to test.

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I I don't give out the cheers often. This one was a cheers for me. The cliffhanger in book one was crazy crazy. Was crazy crazy. So book two got right into it in a way that book one kind of slow rolled me. Definitely a cheers for me. We we got right into it. We we picked up right where we left off. Like it, yeah, all the things that I needed it to do.

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Well, I'm glad that we all loved the book. We're gonna go with our first pairing first. So, as Tasha said, we are doing beer this episode. I'm not a beer drinker. Tasha's not a beer drinker. Star, you like beer? We like liquor. We like liquor on this podcast, but we don't we had to do Boston mass, right? And have some beer. So we do like the Boston people do, and we're we're gonna drink some beer. This pairing, though. So we are doing uh Samuel Adams, the Boston lager, with some pretzels, nice and simple. Simple beer and pretzels. It's a little bitter for me. The lager should have a mild flavor with a crisp finish. It is a more mild beer. I can agree with that. I've had some more bitter ones, and then the saltiness of the pretzel should balance out the crisp finish of the lager, but there should be some slight sweetness to it as well that adds with the savoriness of the pretzels. So you should be getting a sweet and savory thing going on. I don't know if y'all taste that.

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I don't the beer, the beer's okay. The beer it's not, it's not bad, but the pretzel, I feel like the pretzel needs to be saltier.

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Maybe I should have got a smaller pretzel.

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I do kind of see why beer and pretzels go together. I mean, it's not, I mean, I don't typically, there's a lot of carbohydrates. I mean, yeah, no, it's a lot. So I don't typically do this combination, but I see why people would do a beer and you know, why you always see like beer on your pretzels like on like a bar top.

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It makes sense. Jeremy was huge on making killing people a game. He liked the hunt, he was big on hunting his victims, scaring them, that fear component. That is truly what he liked about what he was doing. My question is since he was literally hunting them for sport at one point in the game, would you play said game or would you just take him out immediately?

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Oh, yeah, I'm not playing.

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I'm not playing the game. Mm-mm.

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What's it got feel like? That's the that remember that's really kind of touching that in the episode what? That's what you want. I don't have it for you. But this is the thing. So initially, I'm like, no, I'm not gonna play your games. I'm I'm gonna take myself out. Don't worry about it. Like, I'm not gonna sit up in here for no 30 days, 35 days, right around. And you got me living on hope and prayers. But I do think that there is a natural thing in people that there's like this natural will to survive. So even though like in our mind, we're like, nah, whatever. I I I'm not gonna sit here. That's that's gonna give you too much satisfaction, Mr. Jeremy. Most people's natural is to do everything to survive. And even though you don't want to necessarily play the game, he did dangle just enough hope in front of them to make them feel like, okay, well, maybe if if I do this, then I will. If I do this, then I will. And it just kind of feels like, I mean, almost like any other situation. I mean, we've all been in situations where that little bit of that carrot of hope got you doing all kinds of things you would not know. You would not know about it. You right here, they dating that little carrot of hope in front of you, got you around here doing things you never would have imagined. So I think it's easy to be like, just take me out. I'm not gonna be up here for your 30 days and 30 night foolishness. But in the meet that in the actual situation. I'm trying to think of the real life scenario that I've been in where the carrots have been dangled that I've been willing to do. I'm drawing a blank. Doesn't mean that no, it doesn't mean you do foreclam that right. Doesn't mean that I haven't had any I'm just drawing a blank right now. So I have to think about that one for a sec. To keep it a buck, the way my knees are set up.

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You wouldn't be running through no woods nowhere. Yeah.

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Even if your mind wanted to, your knees is like nausea and the woods, maybe in a cityscape. The woods? It's wildlife out here. Like I can 100% attest that if you want something to happen with star, do not have more than two trees involved. Okay, yeah. Like I if there are more than two trees involved, it's literally a forest. It's a forest. She's not playing your game. Survival instinct or not, even if you wanted to, I have a better chance of upsetting Jeremy and not playing the game than running through the woods. Like, what is happening? Like it's stuff in the trees, like lizard snakes, like it's enough for me.

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So, y'all, she's saying she would much rather take on a serial killer than a lizard. And that's hey, hey. If it's a serial killer or a lizard, you're taking the serial killer every time.

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I'm gonna, me and Jeremy gone. We're scrapping. Got you. It's you or me. But the woods got it. I'm standing on it. So sorry.

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I'm really trying to put myself in the mindset of his victims because you have to understand, these people don't, they didn't know he got random women. They didn't know anything about him. They were thinking it was one thing and then it turned into another. And on various occasions, it was like, okay, you're not gonna run. Well, let me shoot at you to show you that I'm for real. And so I'm thinking, like, if someone is shooting at me or shooting arrows at me through a hunting thing, I may just run. I may just run simply to get away. But then also I understand there's power in being like, nah, I'm not running. If you're gonna shoot me, shoot me. Because I feel like that would have upset him. I don't know what he probably would have just done what he needed to do out of anger, but at least it was quick.

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It was his thrill was the games, the chase, you know what I'm saying?

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Like he referred to his victims as rabbits multiple times. Little rabbit, little deer.

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The fact that in the way he started out was like, oh, these aren't even, this isn't even going to, it's not even designed to kill people. Like, so it's literally just the game. To mess with your, you know what I mean? To mess with nah.

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You just want to see people scared for real. You got it.

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Rubber bullets, paintball, like what? No. Wait, never by saying it. So it's like, if you know for certain that, hey, well, you're gonna die in 10 days, you'd be like, no, just day one. Just like, I don't need them other nine days. And here with you, like, no, I don't need tatters. But I'm saying it's that little carrot of hope that makes you be like, because you don't know when the last days you're like, hey, there is a chance I could survive. So I just feel like that natural is usually. I don't know if he's crazy for real. He might just be pretending to be crazy.

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But I probably would have fought him though. I probably would have fought him too. Yeah. Like found something though. Bink, but who knows?

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I'm just I'm not running.

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I'm praying I'm never in that space.

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Yeah, we just not running through the woods. That's the thing.

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Okay. Moving on.

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Take us into our second pairing. So the second pairing um is gonna be the blue moon. So this is a Belgian white, brightly brewed with Valencia orange peel. So that's the pairing, the Blue Moon L and the orange slices that we have. I like Blue Moon. Off the top, you can definitely taste the Blue Moon is better. The orange. And you can tell it's um it's different than the Samuel Adams. So even like. Which lighter. I guess, yeah, the maybe the L. So the lighter. Different between a lager and an L. Okay.

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I actually really like it with the orange. That's really good.

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I could pick a blue mole.

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Yeah. I could too.

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And I really am not like a I mean, I I can drink a beer. Like if I'm out on a boat or whatever, I said it's a hot day. I want to like chug something. I definitely could drink a beer.

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Typically, I'm like, notice how she said chug. Notice how she said if I'm out on a boat. I'ma chug a beer.

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I can live my life. If I'm out on a boat on a hot summer day, I can definitely see myself drinking the blue moon with a couple of orange slices. Typically, I go for like a yingling, but I would say that this this blue moon, I can do both of these. Salmon Adams, the blue moon. I see y'all up in in the Massachusetts doing y'all thing with these beers. Okay. It's cute. If I'm out on a boat, trying to be like Sasha and I girl up. Sam. But I do like the blue beers. Yeah, or then the lawyer. Yeah, nice okay, man. The question that we have, Jeremy presented himself as some great mastermind hunter with superior intelligence. Like one of those, I'm the smartest person in the room types. Would you classify him the same way? No. Absolutely not. Let me tell you, I was so mad. Okay. I'm glad you asked this question. This he came off to me. As I said, it's one of those people who they he wants to be like he's a smart person in the room. But at the end of the day, I still feel like he was just like a punk. Because every game that he played, he had it rigged so he could win. You know what I mean? It was like it was always get rigged. He all like something like he knew their weaknesses. He had it set up, whatever it was. So he's acting like, oh, and oh well, she was so dumb for trusting me and this and that. Oh, and now look at her running through the woods. But again, like the way you have it set up, like people were like left in a position where they were gonna be vulnerable. And even like the game, it was you already knew the woods, so he wanted to be like, oh, well, he's like this great hunter. They take his property backyard. No, I'm not running. No, I ain't running through the woods. You mean so it's like, no, you was not smart enough. You got that, you have the game rigged. And it just made it kind of made me mad, like the more I thought about it, because it just made me think of like those people who like I want to talk about like the little keyboard warriors, the people who sit behind the keyboard and be writing all sorts of crazy stuff, like on the internet or like making crazy comments about okay, like y'all punks too, just like weak people that always have something to say, but okay, wait, would you say it's my face? Mm-hmm. You touched on the keyboard, right? You you're big and bad when you have the game rigged. I'm in your backyard, cut in my backyard. You cut in my playhouse, and then we'll see Jeremy. Yeah. No, but heavy on that.

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But also, I think there was one particular victim in the book, and she was it Jenna? I think her name was Jenna. He had her, or was it the girl at the bar? Yes. That had him stumped like a little bit. Like he was like, she didn't say what I thought she was gonna say, but I'ma still like try to pull this in my direction. And I think that showed me kind of what you were saying. Like, he definitely had a specific profile. Whereas if he would have approached somebody else that had a completely different attitude, outlook, he would have been tongue-tied. Like he wouldn't have known what to say because Jenna had him, but then at the end of the end of the day, he still was able to get her. And that one probably hurt me the most. Yes. And I thought she was going to, I thought he wasn't gonna bother with her. And so the fact that he still ended up doing what he wanted to do definitely hurt me. But I was like, okay, if you fall out of line in any way on what he's expecting you to say, he's gonna be tongue-tied and not know what to do. And that that speaks to the weakness point. Because if you bowed it, it shouldn't matter what I say. You should be ready to you should be ready. No, if you bow, like that is a thing.

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Since we are talking about the weakness of your boy Jeremy, let's go ahead and hit on with our final pairing, which is supposed to be the strongest of our beers. It is actually a Kentucky bourbon barrel ale. So it's actually brewed in bourbon barrels. So you're gonna get that taste of the boldness of a bourbon mixed with some beer. Let's go ahead and see what that taste like. I'm gonna tell you what I heard. What I heard you say and all that was this a whiskey beer. That's what I heard. So I'm thinking I'm gonna let. And I'm gonna tell you, it's good. Now we're we're gonna pair that with a brownie. And so, together, that bourbon barrel arrow and the brownie should be bringing out almost like if you're having like coffee and chocolate together. Because that's what you're supposed to be getting.

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Yeah, that is good together. I see the hype. It is quite tasty. It is delicious. This is my favorite pairing of the day.

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Picture me on the boat with the bourbon barrel ale and my brownies, back on the boat with the brownies. And I almost feel like I could, you know, in the first episode, we talked about those um Chip-fil-A chocolate chip cookies. They would be good with this too. I could be on the boat on a hot summer day with my bourbon barrel ale, a chocolate chip cookie or a brownie. Because really, this beer is bringing out the chocolatey. Either will do. Ditto is the best damn beer that I have ever tasted in my life. Like, it's so good.

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Star is in awe, y'all.

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Bourbon for star. Like, let's keep it above. It is that definitely that. It's safe. But it also the cho it has like a chocolate undertone as well.

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It does. It does here. It's really good.

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I would say that Jeremy used people's families against them. And like at one point, Ren mentioned how like, you know, mothers, when they're in those like high adrenaline situations, they're being talked about, you know, being able like to lift their car off their babies to save their lives. And, you know, a situation like that, right? So do you think that that kind of love always supersedes self preservation? Okay. While y'all marinate on, let me tell you why. I thought of this one real quick. So this is the situation. And this is a story that my family loves to tell. Because again, if anyone asked me, I'd be like, no, if anyone ever threatened my children, I have three kids. If anyone ever threatened my children's lives, they're it's always them over me. I am, hey, I am here. I'm I'm gonna lift a car up. I would sacrifice, I'm jumping in front of a bus with my kids. Yeah, any day, anytime. I'm gonna give y'all a real situation. Other than Lex clearly knows the family day. I think I know what you're gonna say. What happened was we are, you know, we have a little family day at the zoo. Yes. At the zoo of it all. I'm pushing my little baby, my cute little Devin baby. He was a little stroller, little one-year-old, or something like that. And this, like, gorilla, you know, okay, it was at the Omaha Zoo. It's a very good zoo. If y'all ever in Omaha go to the zoo, it's very good zoo. The way like the little gorilla enclosure is, it's very realistic, right? It's like a little, it's a little plexiglass. Okay, so I'm there, my little baby, I'm a little stroller, like, oh, look at the gorillas, they so cute. But a gorilla came up and he just came like running and he bent like bamboo on a plexiglass, but glass is glass, so it looked like he's coming right at you. So what had happened was I let go of the stroller and I ran like she said, take the vibe.

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She said, Here, here, here.

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Don't say it like it. So when my family tells me it sounds horrible, let me clarify for the people. That's the thing. I feel like internally I knew that the baby was okay because it was glass there. Now, however, everybody be like, Well, why did you run? And like my natural instinct was just to run. I don't necessarily know why I did not like run with the stroller, why I released the stroller and ran, which feels like now thinking about on it. Like, I do love Devin. I mean, I do. That's my baby, you know. I don't know why I had let go of the stroller and ran. So, and I don't know if it's that this is the thing. I do tell people in my defense, you know, when the Lord be giving out like the fight or flight, he gave me a little extra flight, I'd be real flighty. I'd be like, run, run, you know. So please don't know. So if somebody was like, hey, I would like to believe in a situation where he was like, hey, either run this half marathon or your baby's gonna get it, that I would start running. However, I did run a half marathon, it was very hard.

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That is a long time. It sounds like she's trying to.

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I wouldn't know, is everyone as as horrible as I am? Or am I out here on this damn limb by myself, cohesion? I would leave the children.

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Y'all, this the way she's rambling, it's because she's guilty as hell. Why did she leave her baby? I don't know.

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Like, not even the five-year-old. She said he was a one-year-old and a stroller, like completely defensive. It's okay. The gorilla could not get out of the cage. Y'all run then. Don't know why.

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Like, let's be serious. Yeah, none.

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I'm not judging.

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Because I too, I too would be scared. And I don't know what I would do. I don't have children. I would hope that I would grab my baby and and run with the child.

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But I So I should have held Uncle to the stroller. I should have held Unc to it. Now let me tell you what I think it is. And I again, no judgment. You always feel judged. You have multiple children. And I think people with multiple children, they move a little different with their kids. I'm just epic. And I don't, no judgment. Well, I don't know. But people with multiple kids, I think they be like, mm-mm, I gotta spare. I don't know.

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That's morbid.

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So at the time, it was like, oh well, I already do have a Dante. You have John. That's crazy. That's crazy. That is crazy. Star judgment. No judgment. Because I'm not here to judge. That's not my that's not my role. You know my kids, this is podcast, right? And I look, here's the thing. They ain't good. They got they got a D star, they got Daddy Alman. Like, they gonna be straight, is the thing.

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But I mean, I think it's a good point though, because I think that you see that kind of scenario play out like in movies or whatever, when like it's a boyfriend and a girlfriend or a wife and husband, and like something happens and they're scared and they like push their girlfriend out in front of them, like here, or like whatever. And it's like, damn, like, of course, I love Keisha. Right, I was just scared. I was just scared, but I think you're right, like, you never know what you're gonna do when like your back is against the wall. Your body responds, not your mind. Yes, and I would I would like to think I would want to protect myself and those that are important to me, but also you know what they say on the airlines when we're getting ready to you put your mask on first before the other person. That's what they say, and so I think your body wants you to stay alive. You were truly in fight or flight mode in that time, and you just did you worked on instinct. That don't mean you don't love your baby, yeah, that just means you were scared as f and flight kicked in. I fear that I too would have left the baby, but I can't back though.

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You never drove. They my family does not tell that parts. I like I ran, then was like, oh baby. Like it came led back to the stroll, but let the record show, Claire. Let the record show. I came right back to the baby though. I will say this. I definitely get that. Like I said, like real, real talk, no judgment. I there's two, so there's two things. My mom has a thing about snakes, she don't want to see them on TV. I've lived in Georgia for 13 years. Every single time my mom comes out here, she's like, well, what about the snake? I've been in Georgia for 13 years. I've seen one snake, and I'm pretty sure that it was somebody's pet thing out at. Like, she is adamant, like every time she comes to Georgia that there's snakes somewhere. And I'm like, I don't know where they're at because I haven't seen them in 13 years, but she has a thing about snakes. So I give you that context to say I remember being probably 14, maybe 14. My mom was out. We were, it was a family, a family thing. We're all at my grandmother's house. My mom's outside in the front yard with my little, like the little cousins, right? Smaller than me. Next thing we know, she banging on the door, running in the house. It's a snake, it's a snake. A little garden snake. Like the little, you know, the little green garden snakes are like, oh, they're harmless. She left all them damn kids outside. Like, please understand, every man for themselves. Like, she left all them kids outside because it was a little snake. So I've seen that and I get that, right? Because if you're the thing that you, like if you're a individual, are terrified of, hey, hey, get Lisa them, right? Like, it's a snake outside. You gotta go get y'all kids because it was a snake out there. Now, that said, for me, I love everybody that's in my life, has a special place in my heart. And I love them for one reason or another. Maybe several. However, there's only a certain fugue that I'm willing to lay down my life for. We jump in front of a bullet. Jumping in front of a bullet. There's certain individuals that I've made, I have, in this moment, I can tell you, I have made the decision. Like, God forbid anything happened to them, the people who did it, like. If it's me or them, yeah. It's me. It's not everybody, but there's definitely, it's definitely my child. That goes without saying. Like, there's not, and I love him to death, like he gets on my nerves, and we have our moments, but there's no question. Like, there's no question. But and my mom.

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I think I feel the same. As you were telling that story, I was thinking about, so I cannot swim. I can't swim at all. Like, if I get pushed in the deep end, that's all she wrote. Can you float? I can float, but I feel like it's going down. Lex is no more. If if I get 534. So, but I've always said, like, I am so sorry. Like, I want my kids, like when I have children, I want them to learn how to swim because I feel like that is a good skill to have. However, I will be telling them if you are drowning, mommy cannot help you. I will get a lifeguard. But I'm not. Because I told you I can't swim. I'm only 5'4. So if the water is six feet, I fear I can't help you. I fear I can't help you. But I will I will do everything in my power to get somebody who can. How can I save you? But I I sent like I can't.

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I can't. And for all those that got lost in Tasha's trauma story, the question was did we think that that kind of love always supersedes self-preservation? Right. So we we did go down a little bit of a small jump. But we touched on it. So do it. So loop y'all back around. I would sacrifice myself for my kids, so y'all know. I believe an afterthought. I believe you. Yes. I believe you would. I believe you would. The initial flight, but ooh, my baby. Facts. I can't write back. I get it.

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I feel like you would. You would. You would sacrifice yourself for your kids.

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And the gorilla couldn't get through the glass. Yeah. It was just your instinct, like, ooh, sh.

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You just got scared for a minute. That's all.

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It was only three steps. And I stepped right back. And here's the thing: at the end of the day, you would have fought that damn gorilla if you needed to to save your message. Would have. The lead back. Would have 100%. Absolutely. So that's all that matters. I do want to say, as far as pairings go for the day, the Kentucky bourbon barrel elves. Just a 10 out of 10. Was absolutely my favorite. And the brownie just really put the icing on the cake.

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Yeah. I think we're all in agreement.

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So, Star, what you got for us to close out? Here we go.

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As always, you know the vibes. As we bring the episode to a close, we always save space for something to sit with, sip on, or carry into your week. And that's gonna be either a lit challenge to move you, a top for thought to ground you, or a memorable quote from the book that lingers like a good sip. We're closing this one with a line from the butcher's game that doesn't flinch. And that is there's no such thing as closure. Only exits we build and barricade ourselves. We love you, bookish baddies. That's it. That's it for this episode of Black Girls Lip Podcast, where fine women, fine literature, and fine vibations always meet, as Tasha said. We close with a toast to the words that found you, the poor that held you, and the version of you that showed up to listen. If it made you think, feel, or clink, pour it forward. Make room for someone else at the table. Make sure you're following us on all social media, all social media platforms, share, so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_03: 32:23

And we'll be back next time with An American Marriage by Teari Jones. And it's actually at a perfect time because I'm getting married in the month that we are reading this book. So wedding bells are in the air for October, and we hope that y'all tune in for this next read.

SPEAKER_00: 32:48

Thank you for listening to the Black Girls Lip Podcast. Join us for our next port and our next page in American Marriage by Tayari Jones. Make sure to like, subscribe, comment, and follow.