Welcome Back To BGL Live

Tasha 0:00

Hey bookish baddies, welcome to Black Girls Lit. We're fine women, fine literature, and fine libations collide.

Steph 0:12

Stepping to the lit live. Black girls lit starts now. Black women are so complex.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

We're here. We're live. We're alive.

Steph 0:28

You don't talk about I was trying to mute it.

Tasha 0:32

All right. And make sure I'll be able to see all of our fan mail.

Steph 0:38

Yes. Getting chat chat away.

Tasha 0:41

Okay. All right, y'all. Happy second Wednesday. And um welcome back to another edition of BGL Live. One more sip with um Ken by Tyari Jones.

Steph 0:55

Yes. Alright, y'all.

Tasha 0:57

So cheers.

Steph 0:59

Okay. I would tell you that drink though.

Tasha 1:01

This is the thing. Let me go ahead and let people know right now. Okay. As I had told the ladies already, um, sometimes I do in fact look like what I'm going through. Today is one of those days. Okay, so life is life. Life is life thing. Currently in the process of moving. Um, I got a lot of things going on, so um, that's why I look like this. I just want to try to think I would normally, you know, I I think at least normally I try to put like a little gloss little something on when I would get on these people's internet, but today just was all of Tasha. Yeah, it's okay. So but I'm here though. You are because I am to this show and these conversations and to our fans for showing up every second Wednesday.

Steph 1:45

Yes, yes, going forward.

Tasha 1:47

Whoo, okay.

Usher And Chris Brown Concert Recap

Tasha 1:48

So we are gonna talk about the book, but first because we all did go see um the RB concert tour, you know, a little Usher Bray Mall and Chris Brown. What did we think about the show?

Steph 2:00

Loved it, loved it. Same, loved it.

Tasha 2:03

Okay.

Steph 2:03

Three hours. It was a whole three hours.

Tasha 2:06

It was long for a school night, okay, or work night. It was gonna be a little bit lengthy. I loved it. I did, however, realize that um I know about three Chris Brown songs. Oh no, I knew no, I knew a lot more. I apparently I'm a big Usher fan. Like I knew all the Usher. I was up, hey, I know all the songs. Oh, knew we was in there. Uh apparently not so much Chris Brown. I mean, but I did. I definitely enjoyed his performance. You know, he flying around and things. Um, both of them definitely put on a good show. I just um I had to I I was resting my feet during the Chris Brown songs because I do not know as many Chris Brown songs as I truly believe that I thought that I did.

Star 2:49

Which is funny in itself, because you don't know the songs that you do know you don't know. Lyric-wise, you know, like the there is that of them. So there is that. I think it's it's fine.

Steph 3:00

I think it's okay. No, it was a great show. I it was a great show. I stood up pretty much majority, but if I did need a restroom break, it would be during Chris's act. But and this is my third, fourth time seeing Usher in concert, so I just feel like he's progressed as an artist, and just to see him perform, you know, um, it's been a great thing. I I feel like I've noticed that with a lot of artists that I do fall in love with, I'd rather see them in their prime. I might not go to your first concert, but I definitely don't want to go to your last concert, depending on what age you are. Um, but you know, like because you just I don't know, they're a little bit more polished in the kind of money you're spending. And I think some of us have expectations and things like that. But Chris, Chris did a good job, but Usher hands down. He was just, he has a larger catalog. I think he could have gone for a little bit longer. Like, I was like, Usher been out here for like 20 songs. When Chris comes in, and then he would come, and then he would do like four, and then Usher's back. But and then they had several um guest artists come out. Shaka, Shaka Khan, she came out. Hey girl. Um, and that's right. Say with Prime, like there are certain people like you know, no no shades, but all shades.

Star 4:22

Okay. No shade. Yeah, I love Shaka Khan. Um, there was a moment I was trying to figure out like what's happening. Yes. I and I I don't think it was but well at the end of the day, we'll never know, but something was happening. But when she did start singing, she sounded good. I so it maybe was like her earpiece or something. It was like she couldn't hear her cue. And yeah, so that was that was a little misfortunate. But I mean, she's shaking.

Tasha 4:51

So it's always funny to me when people are like, uh, I can't hear myself, like they'd be having to hear themselves to sing. And I've been singing all the time, and I've and it's never dawned on me like, well, I need to be able to hear myself like in my ear. Like, I don't I don't even really be concerned with what y'all hear when I'm singing. And so but I guess the great thing about you. That's the true artist. Maybe that's what I always see people, they're like, hey, I gotta, you know, you see them doing like sound check. It's like I can't hear myself. I'm like, does it matter? Like, sometimes I think I hear just saying we know, girl, and that's why we're over here on this table.

Steph 5:25

You're not at Mercedes Benz.

Star 5:27

Speaking of things, like, there were so many realizations that I had um last night about Tasha for sure. Um, but then all of us, like as a group of individuals as well. Um, and Chris Brown. So the first thing, Chris Brown is a lunatic because the way if y'all could be inside that stadium, like football stadiums, first of all, are are huge venues. Mercedes bins is crazy, and that that 300 section is so high up in the sky that this that the shit looks dangerous, it looks unsafe, it looks like it is too steep up there. I can't imagine who approved the architectural design. Like, it looks dangerous. And when I tell you they were they were up there, and so was he flying around, like to see it on video is one thing, but to see it in person and how high up that is, and that he just two straps, like the little two-strap harness, and he taking it off. I'm like, well, wait, Chris, where's the professional? He don't need nobody to come take these straps off and signal them, like, okay, we a go. I'm like, you just trusting these people to let you to not lift the shit before you get hooked up or unhooked.

Tasha 6:44

I was like, and he saw how quickly he took it off. I was like, oh, this wasn't like a professional setup.

Steph 6:51

I was like, oh, he is. But you know, this is show what 20 plus? I was like, like he's used to it, but no, I that's your life because he and he's singing, y'all, and he's like doing a little dancing up there. He was like dancing in the sky. He was it was a great, it was a great show. They all did phenomenal. They had several guests speak, you know. I I'm mad at some of the other nights because I wish I was there on some of the other nights with some of their guest artists.

Star 7:18

I think it was good. I think you get like if you in order to when you have a an event that's multiple nights, it's probably like you have to go to every night to not feel a certain way. You know what I'm saying? Like if that's like if that's your thing, then you would have you would literally have to go every night to not feel away.

Passenger Seat Anxiety And Flinching

Star 7:35

Um Tasha, have you ever been with somebody who it don't matter? I rode in the car with Tasha one time since I've known her, and I bowed internally to myself. Oh, I'll never do that again. I that was, you know, I just there was a comfort level that I just didn't feel. I told you, look, Tasha got in the car with me yesterday. She flinched like three or four times before we even made it to the highway. Like in a place where I had to say, Oh, sis, are you cool? Like, I was not like I'm straight. So, what we came to, the conclusion is that the passenger seat, regardless of who the driver is, the passenger seat is a very vulnerable place to be.

Steph 8:22

It is because you're the you're the you know the driver.

Tasha 8:27

Over there, ooh, she kept flinching. I'm like, I didn't am I in the matrix? In my defense, I did not realize I was flinching. I was trying to hold it in, like, oh my god. She said she was trying to be like, I was trying to hold it in, but ooh, my whole body just it was just like an impulse just reacted. I was like, oh Lord. But why though? I but why? I think one time you turned out in front of somebody, and I was like, oh, who okay. And then another time, I was like, you was like riding up on people. It was a lot. I'm sorry.

Star 8:56

Now I will say this in this. We could be a little but I will say this in my defense.

Steph 8:59

You gotta muscle up in here in Atlanta.

Star 9:01

I will say this in my defense. I have my glasses on at all times when I'm driving. Tasha actually did not have her glasses on, so I feel like she probably couldn't see actually all that well. There are other factors that came into play. I feel like she couldn't see as well as I could see. And that was that probably contributed to.

Tasha 9:20

You know what? Alan just said the other day, I was driving him and he told me he was like, I mean, I I don't know what's up an argument, but I'm just you really gotta start wearing new glasses.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

He was like, I'd be saying your death, your death percentage is all fucked up. Oh, okay. So see, I'm not wrong. Okay.

Steph 9:40

He said I'm not trying to get into an argument.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

I don't listen, I don't want to start fighting. Your death percentage is all fucked up.

Tasha 9:48

But Mary seems very aggressive, sir. I can see the distance. He's like, I I don't think that you can oh Alvin.

Star 9:58

So now we have a mystery software. Sasha's the common denominator.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

Surprise, surprise. Hey Rich.

Star 10:07

But yeah, so that was um, yeah, that was last night. There were there were some other things. Okay, so the last one, let me tell you. We are exactly who I think we are, like individually, like who we are and who we represent in this mix, and as we talk to the people and listen, like we are exactly who

VIP Mindset And Stadium Food Choices

Star 10:33

we are. Like this is real life for real. Um Steph Steph B Steph got there after us, but was still was still early in her seat in the concert. Steph got there after we did, but was still earlier, but still arrived at the concert earlier than Tasha and I did. Okay. She will always be early. Oh so that's first and foremost. I am the if the experience cannot be VIP'd in any way, it's not for me. I need to find the VIP experience and the most non-VIP experience. Last night that involved parking right downstairs from the gate. The amount of research that I did to make sure that we did not have to walk around that whole ass stadium to find our seats.

SPEAKER_03 11:29

Yeah.

Star 11:29

Impeccable. Tasha, I love Tasha to death. Tasha's probably my favorite person in the world right now. I get held up at security because I'm over-assessed around and I'm having a hot flash and trying not to get banned from the event because they got SWAT, they got special SWAT outside. It's not APD, they got SWAT outside with AK 47. So I'm trying to be calm, having a hot flash. I get inside. Tasha dynam found the most questionable thing to eat. We were talking about getting food and drinks. I come in, Tasha has the most um creative thing that they had to be selling in the venue.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Oh, that you already know because you saw it. I did, I mean, what did you think when you saw it? I was like, that is too much right now. I said that is too much. Yes, it was like that sounds good.

Star 12:37

When I finally made it inside, I said, What are you eating? I said, the only safe option is some french fries. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Like that's the only save option.

Tasha 12:49

So I did mac and cheese with it was supposed to have been like pulled pork, I think, but it was a lot, it was like some burp, but it was real fatty. And I had to put like the little barbecue sauce on it. It seemed like it was only $12. First of all, stadium food normally is expensive, but the bins, like, they they keep their prices low. So I was like, barbecue mac and cheese for $12. And it didn't, it seemed like an idea. Once I started eating a little bit, I was like, I probably should just get some French fries.

Steph 13:19

But there's a girl in front of me that had a whole plate of oxtails. She had her whole Caribbean meal.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

I said, We are at Usher. Did she bring it with her? Or were they? No, apparently they were selling it.

Steph 13:32

was they had rice and peas, oxtails, plants. I said, wait a second, where first of all, where is that? And I wanted to ask her how much, but I said, No, Steph, because you are not eating oxtails at Usher.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

It was so much better.

Tasha 13:47

Apparently, barbecue um pulled pork, mac and cheese was also unacceptable. Okay. That was unloadable. It was just really the way you looked at me, you was like, What are you in? Sorry, was so appalled. Like, I can't leave you alone for a minute at all. Mean without you getting into trouble, Tasha. Like, that's how she looked at me. I was I felt very scored. She's like, just and then you know what she did? She took her drink wrapper and put it in it. She was like, No, you're throwing this away. I'm gonna put this trash in it just so I know for a fact you don't eat any more of this. Stop it.

Star 14:22

Well, because in the midst of that, she's saying, like, she's having a moment and she's like, my stomach is is my stomach feeling funny?

Steph 14:31

Yes, yes, it is. Guaranteed. You were being the good friends to for her to survive the concert.

Star 14:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Oh my god, that was gonna be terrible.

Star 14:39

So yeah, last night was fun. I enjoyed, I know that I feel like this is kind of our first time. Like, even though we didn't go to the event together, we all ended up at the event together. Yeah, and I just felt like that was pretty cool.

Tasha 14:52

And I feel like we've been in it together since we were all on that pre-sale, everybody trying to try to give it to you. Okay, did you get in? No, I didn't. Did you oh hey, they opened up another day.

Steph 15:02

Go, go, this is not a drill. I think that's when they had three days and then they added two more. We were like, what? I forgot right. It was in the building and it was a great concert. It definitely was a phenomenal job, and yeah.

Tasha 15:21

I definitely am glad that all that we went through to get there and to be in the building, it definitely was worth it. Definitely a great, great show.

Star 15:29

Yeah, so yeah, so that's it. You want to go ahead and take us through the one more sip.

Switching To One More Sip

Tasha 15:36

Okay, let's get back to this kid. Okay, so on the show, we spent a lot of time, we spent time talking about the two main characters. But let's, we I think at the end of the episode, we sort of started a conversation about the guys, and then we had to cut it off because otherwise we were going to end up being here like a whole other hour. So let's go. I want to go ahead and open up and have that conversation about these two dudes. Well, actually, there was a couple dudes in it that I yeah. Let's talk about all the men in the book.

Steph 16:05

Okay. And how we're gonna get started to change that too to a possible.

Star 16:10

So I mean we're talking about guys, yeah. No, and I did so I did want to start by saying this. I'm I'm definitely not taking back my two-star rating. Um, I want to be very clear on that. However, I do want to also say that it's I want to make sure that everyone understands the the reason for the rating. It it the story is great. The story, it's a great story. Um, I just did not, I didn't appreciate and I didn't love that it was so long and there were so many characters that were a major part of the story that we we didn't know. Like we didn't know. We and and I was thinking about it, and that maybe was the author's intent, right? Was the focus was really on the two female characters, right? And the different paths that their lives took. So maybe that was intentional. Whatever the case may be. That is the part that I did not necessarily like. I felt that the male figures were too much a part of the story to not for us to not know where they came from and who they were.

Steph 17:22

I think she gave us a little bit. I think they gave us a little bit of it. It's just not detailed as the the female characters. Because with the females, you had the aunt and the grandmother, so we know the role that they played in their lives. But with the guys, even with um the one that she ended up marrying when she went to Spelman, like she had a sense of who he was because she was being replicated by the mama, basically, in a way. And but so she I feel like you had a sense of it. And even with the guys, I think the two guys um when they went to Tennessee, they I don't think we knew more of them.

Star 18:04

We didn't, but bubble and Calvin, right? Was his Calvin's name? Calvin?

Tasha 18:09

I thought it was Clyde Clyde.

Star 18:12

Clyde Clyde. Bubble and Clyde, right? That's what you're talking about. Yeah.

Steph 18:17

Okay, so it's so bubble. Clyde was a mess, though. Clyde was a whole mess.

Tasha 18:23

Okay, so we're from the beginning, and when Clyde done invited a girl on the trip, but got his real girlfriend with them. Like, so Clyde, we knew from Jim, from John. He was Clyde was a mess. He never stopped being a mess. I don't know why Baby Doll wanted to marry him. Like, girl, what why she knew and the thing was she knew he wasn't shit. So I really don't know, I for real did not know why she wanted to marry him.

Star 18:49

I think that was a part of her, like, her upbringing though, and her, I'm gonna say trauma for lack of a better word, in this moment, but that was if you think about again, how much do we really know about her upbringing, right? But I think the across the board, the consistent thing was you have all of these individuals, these young people, at the same stage in life, but they're they're all very different, right? So we have to assume that those differences that we were seeing throughout the story were because of their upbringing, even though we didn't know that, right? So if we go on that assumption, then Baby Doll probably did, and they maybe maybe alluded to it or said it to some point to some extent, she didn't have that upbringing, so that they had so I just assume her value was always placed in her looks and her body and all of that.

Steph 19:46

So as long as a man was acknowledging that and paying attention to that and using her body, that was that equated love and but she still had her faith because and um she still wanted that loyalty, she still wanted that loyalty from Clyde though. So that was the thing that was off not it's not off-putting, it's not the right word. Like it was just like, like you said, it was like her body, she was using her body and her looks, but still at the end of the day, she wanted, she still had core values, she still wanted a level of respect and a commitment and to be a uh what's the word I'm looking for? An honest woman. Yeah, because he was taking her into the show.

Tasha 20:26

Okay, she did say stuff about, you know, we just over here shacking up, and I'm telling you know, guys are hitting on me every day while I'm working at this bar, and I'm telling them I'm taking, but you ain't doing anything, but I'm not taking like bro, put a ring on it or not. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I I can see that.

Steph 20:42

And then she was kind of torn with her faith a little bit because she would try to bring that up. Bring it up about being committed and not giving your body and to a man.

Tasha 20:53

But let's say you if you're getting the milk bought by the cow, you get the milk for free. You know what the old people used to say?

Steph 20:59

Yes, I hate that soon. You hate that soon.

Tasha 21:02

So many are you calling me a cow?

Steph 21:06

Am I supposed to be flattered? Yeah, what is happening? Like, but yeah. And then what's the girl's name? I forgot the character's name. Which one? The one that went to spellman. Um when she met her fella, I felt like she was being groomed to be his, like, I was just kind of like you want somebody to be like your mom to a degree. To a degree. Because I felt like that's what she was doing for her. I think a lot of men do want that's what that's what they expect. I guess if that's what you if you're happy with that, if you've grown up and it was for always from a great place. So let me say this because I I've been thinking

Is Wanting Her To Be Like Mom Bad

Steph 21:57

about this.

Star 21:57

This is um something that's been When I think about women saying, like, I'm I'm not gonna be like your mama, I'm not your mama, so on and so forth. I I've had this thought because obviously, for obvious reasons, right? Um, the moment you realize that you're gonna be the that you're the mom that the young lady is like, you ain't your mama. Um, but I wonder if when we say so, we put this blanket statement on men wanting women like their mom, but is that necessarily a bad thing? And I think where it takes a turn and has the potential to have like a negative connotation is again when we're talking about just task-level stuff, cook like your mom, clean like your mom, you know what I mean, like do laundry like your mom, or whatever the case may be, if that's the expectation. But what if we think about if we think about it on another level? So, from my perspective, when I think about wanting my son to be with someone that's like me, I'm not the cooker, I'm not the cleaner, like and all of those things. I want my son to find someone who loves him the way that I do, right? So maybe it's not such a bad thing to want a woman like your mom if it's in that context. So I think that's where it has the potential to be this ugly thing and a bad thing, but who doesn't want, and you you guys are mothers, right? And have sons. Don't you want someone to love your son the way that you love him? Because the reality of it is that one day we're not gonna be here, yes, right? So the day that I'm not here, I want to I want to know that my son has someone that loves him like I do, that supports him the way that I do, that is going to be his peace the way that I am, right? And there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I would agree.

Steph 24:03

I would agree. I think just reading some of it in the book, it's just some of the things she was doing. I was like, girl, like yeah, it was it. I think on that avenue of it, I understand and I completely agree with you. But from the other, it was just the tasks, yeah. And that's the cringy part, right? It was. I think and it gave me that because that's what it was kind of like focused on. So that's all that you received. You see how you open my mind to more.

Tasha 24:31

Even though the mother-in-law was teaching her about all the tasks that you do and stuff like that, the mother-in-law was also teaching her the stuff that you know, like how wives be like, okay, girl, so this thing, he thinks he's in charge, but really you in charge. So you finna make sure that he comes home, you're gonna have this dinner, he'll do that. But then this is what you're gonna say to make sure you get your little separate sewing room. And this is what you're gonna say in order to make sure that you get this, and you know, I mean, and that you um have the things that you want, and you're able to do stuff that you want to do as well, and so that your little friend can come over here when she's going through stuff, like something like the mom, the mother-in-law was also, you know, putting her on that um in that white game too. Like, yeah, hey, look, okay, you're and the truth of the matter is like it was a lot about task, but if you're a stay-at-home mom or stay-at-home wife, I mean, there's the reality of there's her reputation.

Star 25:23

Your your job is to take care to take care of the house.

Steph 25:27

So after you gotta hold your grade.

Star 25:29

And I think that's and I think that's fair, right? You you talk a lot about time frames and time periods, and this this book was, I believe it was the 60s or what have you. So you that I think is something that can be taken into consideration in this particular story, is that it was during that time. But you have, I think there are, I think, and even this still today, I think there are women that go to college. There are two different types of women that go to college. I think there are women who go to college to get the education to have the foundation for the career, and I think there are women who go to college to find a husband. Like, and I think that regardless, I think it's okay. Like, for whatever reason, you know what I mean, like whatever your reasoning is, and I think for um niecy she was going to get a husband, and she'll be a family, like she wanted a family, and yeah, but then she found some stuff about herself too.

Steph 26:25

Right? Everybody likes to experiment a little bit.

Bobo Annie And The Fear Of Rejection

Tasha 26:30

But she's gonna love girl. So is that husband? What about um Bobo? Who we that I think in the episode we talked about, oh no, we would he was great until he wasn't. And to me, I do I feel like Bobo was the best guy in the book, really. He was a good guy. Even the way, even when he decided to leave, um why can I remember this girl's name right now?

Star 26:57

Annie. Annie. Yes, Annie. Annie was the other one, right? Yes, Macy was the one that went to college. Annie was the one.

Tasha 27:04

So this is even when he decides to leave, or like even the way he did that was classy. Like, and he gave her every opportunity. He was like a good guy from the very beginning. Even when he told her, he was like, I know you, I know you came on a trip to me with Clyde. I know I'm like, I'm not great looking. You know, he was like, but hey, you know, I I will take care of you. I would love you. I mean, you know, and when she thought I did give him a chance, he really was all the things that he said he would be, and it just he just got tired, like, girl, I told you, leave, either go find, either go knock on your mama's door or shut up talking about your mama.

Star 27:42

But I think even for him, the final straw was wasn't there, if I remember correctly, there was like a confrontation or something. Somebody came to the house or their apartment or room that they were staying in, or whatever the case may be. He he got into a fight with somebody.

Steph 27:56

Did he get into a fight? I don't know if it was.

Star 27:59

I feel like that was the final straw for him. I can't really remember, but I do feel like there was an altercate, a physical altercation that he came home and somebody was in the house.

Tasha 28:11

Oh, was it the guys who were telling when she found out that her mom actually wasn't dead? Because first she thought her mom was dead, and stuff started going good again.

Star 28:17

Yeah, and then they came and told her he was like, Because remember, he there was there was it was an altercation.

Tasha 28:23

Yeah, I can't remember who he was fighting or why. It was one of the guys who told her that um the mom was dead, but he came over there to correct his mind. He felt bad.

Star 28:31

Yeah, and I think that was the final straw for him. I think he was like, Listen, this is yeah, there's this is a little bit too much. Um, but to your point, he's he sent this warning shots and like, hey, this is becoming a bit more than I want to continue to talk about or deal with.

Tasha 28:50

And which I don't understand. Okay, at the point of when your partner is telling you, hey, look, I love you, I'm here for you. We we can't keep doing this. Like, why at that point didn't she just go knock on the door of the atmosphere? She wasn't ready.

Steph 29:07

She said she wasn't at the end of the day.

Tasha 29:08

But she was right here accosting every, like, all every woman she saw on the streets. You, my mama, like, she was like chasing women down. And I know you guys told me this thing is crazy. And I know in the episode you guys told me that, you know, the reason why she couldn't just go knock through the door. But I'm like, at the point of blowing up your whole life, like you wouldn't just okay, you know what? Let me just go try to see. Because again, she was like literally like chasing people down the street. Just knock on the door of the address that you have when you brought your behind to Memphis. What are we doing? She's scared. Bubble finna leave you, girl.

Star 29:48

He finna leave you.

Steph 29:49

And she and he left and she's gone too because of her silliness.

Star 29:53

Yeah, that was, I think.

Steph 29:55

Hers went down, hers turned dark because I was I was mad at Annie. I really was mad at Annie with the path that she took because it was like, but she was young, she was so young, and back then we don't have the therapy and all the stuff to talk to people and get better. So she was dealing with something that affected her from birth, from birth, and it was like you have the answers, but she was afraid. And people were telling her just to go, but she just didn't want to listen. And the one person that was in her corner, even niece was there for her, but I think niece was there for her for from afar because she was at college, so she had a reprieve not to feed into Annie's ways of trying to find her mom, where Bobo had to live with it every day. Like you went into a bar, got a job at the bar at where your mama was last seen. Like, girl. It was very stalker-ish. It was behavior.

Star 30:54

But I mentioned that she had the extras. Yes, she did go by there though. She did go by there. It was after a long time. But she did go by there and she got the rejection that she was, that she was fearful. So it was kind of like, damn, she was kind of justified. And she would she have been here's the question that I have Would she have been better off and not gone and her end not have ended up being what it was had she just never actually went and met her? And just if she would have just stayed with the idea of her, and assuming or guessing or fantasizing about every random woman that walks in the bar and creating a story that, oh, that might be her. Because excuse me, the dark, the dark path that she went down, it it kind of progressed rather quickly.

Steph 31:52

Yeah, because it was Bobo, the rejection of her mama, and then you got your creepy ass boss at the bottom.

Star 31:58

And at that point, she was just like, any, any attention, any, any acceptance.

Steph 32:03

And that's why she took the creepy ass bars owners to not be rejected anymore.

Tasha 32:09

I this is the thing. He was gross. He was definitely gross. Yeah, he was horrible. I just I think she did have to meet her mom because even when I mean Bubba left even before she actually went and knocked on doors. That's why my girl should have gone and knocked on the door a long time ago. When he had got that rejection, he would have helped, he would have coddled you through it. Like it was the constant, it my mom, my mom, my mama, is it, is it, is it that was driving everybody around her crazy? Even baby doll was like, girl.

Steph 32:43

Even baby doll was tired of it. Like you're running the customers away, girl. These this is our money.

Tasha 32:49

And so I feel like if she just would have taken that step sooner, it probably would not have had to go the way that it did. And I mean, I get it, you guys say she wasn't ready.

Steph 33:00

Um, but I do feel like you had a lot of people around you that I felt like it it should have pushed you to be a little bit more ready. Like you've had all these people come with you, the journey to Tennessee, it was just too many factors, and you were even talking to Nisi, like everybody was pushing you for it, and then you just couldn't take the step. And I I know the biggest thing is rejection because you already had it once. I can only imagine at an 18, between 18 and 20-something-year-old girl, and you know, as a we are we get affected at a young age. I can only imagine, and this is your mother, and then you go to your mother's house and you see what happens, and the rejection is loud. But it's different. I could say it's different because when your mom had you, she doesn't she didn't know anything what she was doing, so she left you. Now she's at a place where she could take care of some children. So she had some more children and she was taking care of it, care taking care of them. And it's like, why didn't you do that with me? She was at a different age, but Annie would never receive that because you're still a child, you will always be a child.

Tasha 34:02

Well, it's nothing. I don't know if there was rejection or was it like, hey, I didn't have anything to offer you then. Truthfully, I ain't got nothing to offer you now.

Steph 34:09

Rejection. That's rejection. I was doing it.

Tasha 34:12

I was doing my best for you by leaving you. Because again, I didn't have nothing to give you. I was a child myself, I did not have anything to offer you. So I did what I felt was best for you by leaving you with my mom.

Star 34:24

I and no one's I mean, it sounds good, but in in on the other hand, it's still I chose to leave you. The the wrong thing for the right reason, still the wrong thing.

Steph 34:37

And then at the end of it, when she did find her, she still got rejected again. Yeah. So that was like a double, it was double, it was just I honestly think had the trip.

Star 34:46

I think the the part that we didn't really touch on and still kind of not touching on, and I think it had a really big impact. When she made the decision and set out to start and set out to go on this trip, she thought she had a level of support that she did not have from the very beginning. So she made this plan, her and Clyde, they planned this trip, and yes, we're gonna go, and I'm going to I'm going to be with you on this, you know, journey or whatever to go find your mom. And he shows up with another female. Like, at that point, she probably should have made the decision to just stay.

unknown 35:28

And not.

Tasha 35:29

Isn't it a weird thing he actually like why did he go get her at that point? They didn't need her for the trip. Was it once he did actually feel bad? Like, hey, let me. Even though I got even though I got baby doll, I I want you to, I do want you to get y'all know that you want to go to Memphis, I'll help get you

Missing Backstories And Final Takeaways

Tasha 35:48

there.

Star 35:48

And that's why I feel like that's where my disappointment started. Because I feel like for the way that this story developed and everything that it turned into, we should have known. We we should be able to sit right now and be talking about what Clyde's thought process was and who he was that made him make that decision. Like, we shouldn't be sitting here questioning, like, well, I wonder why he did that. We should have had a chapter. We should have had a Clyde chapter. There was 48 of them. We should have had one dedicated to Clyde. When did he think he's gonna have two girls? Yeah, like what was Clyde's thought process? Or was his like, hey, she giving it up? I don't know if she finna be with it. I'm gonna bring my cousin with me because he a good dude and he just finna be my wingman and we just gonna move it around. Like, what was Clyde? What was his thought process? We don't know. Because in all them 52 chapters, we didn't get a clock chapter.

Steph 36:44

Well, well, one more sip, and they can, you know, get their take on it. Yeah, definitely let us know.

Star 36:51

Definitely please read the book. Um, just listen to it, maybe even because if you listen to it, you you know, it just it just goes, and then you just are listening to the story and you're engaged and you don't know

Read Boldly And Sip Slowly

Star 37:04

and see that there's eighty-two chapters.

Steph 37:07

Now it's eighty-two, girl. It started from 48 to 52 to 80.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

I don't know how many chapters. I know it's gangs of shows. We enjoyed the book. Thank you very much.

Star 37:19

Yeah, the book was good. The the story was good. The story was good. Don't don't pay me no mind. Right. Read the book, read the book. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

And until next time, ladies, read boldly and sip slowly. Cheers.